Nov 9, 2015

TJ Cowgill is a clothier and musician.  He owns Actual Pain and makes music as King Dude.

This episode takes place at Different Fur Studios.

In this episode, they talk about San Francisco, fraternal organizations, Seattle, touring, technology, and religion.

Thanks to TJ.  You can find Actual Pain online at actualpain.org and King Dude on bandcamp, through Not Just Religious Music, Dias Records, and Van Records in Europe.

This show is available on iTunes, Stitcher, and at cameronadair.com/podcast.  Be sure to subscribe, rate, review, and join me next time.